Comments on: Just Wondering … http://amybayliss.com/2008/10/just-wondering_8536/ Cajun Joie de Vivre: Stepping Stones to a Fulfilled Life Fri, 18 May 2012 16:34:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: LauraLee Shaw http://amybayliss.com/2008/10/just-wondering_8536/comment-page-1/#comment-2016 LauraLee Shaw Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:27:00 +0000 http://localhost:8888/amybayliss/?p=292#comment-2016 You know I have to come back to this post. I received a call yesterday from one of the most Godly gals I know. She was having a meltdown because someone told her that the reason her child was misbehaving in church was because she didn't stay home with him during the week. This "well-meaning" SS teacher had no idea of course that she is working to pay the bills while her husband is struggling to find a new job. They couldn't sell their house and downgrade right now if they wanted to, and they can't afford to move, so they're stuck. We just need to be so careful what we say to Moms. Not everyone has the luxury of staying home or even feels led to. WE should not condemn them. And I know some moms at home that yell at their kids and watch tv half the day too. They might do their kids more good by going back to work.<br /><br />Anyway, I was so upset for her, prayed for her and sent her the link to this post. Amy, I just love your heart spilled out to all women at all season with all different callings. God has made each one so unique. I think the timing of this posting is no accident. WE, sisters in Christ, need to come together...not condemn. You know I have to come back to this post. I received a call yesterday from one of the most Godly gals I know. She was having a meltdown because someone told her that the reason her child was misbehaving in church was because she didn’t stay home with him during the week. This “well-meaning” SS teacher had no idea of course that she is working to pay the bills while her husband is struggling to find a new job. They couldn’t sell their house and downgrade right now if they wanted to, and they can’t afford to move, so they’re stuck. We just need to be so careful what we say to Moms. Not everyone has the luxury of staying home or even feels led to. WE should not condemn them. And I know some moms at home that yell at their kids and watch tv half the day too. They might do their kids more good by going back to work.

Anyway, I was so upset for her, prayed for her and sent her the link to this post. Amy, I just love your heart spilled out to all women at all season with all different callings. God has made each one so unique. I think the timing of this posting is no accident. WE, sisters in Christ, need to come together…not condemn.

]]> By: Mommy Cracked http://amybayliss.com/2008/10/just-wondering_8536/comment-page-1/#comment-2017 Mommy Cracked Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:44:00 +0000 http://localhost:8888/amybayliss/?p=292#comment-2017 I don't believe them for a minute. I don't have scripture to back it up, but I just KNOW in my heart that doing those things you listed won't get me to heaven any easier than women who do that. I don’t believe them for a minute. I don’t have scripture to back it up, but I just KNOW in my heart that doing those things you listed won’t get me to heaven any easier than women who do that.

]]> By: LauraLee Shaw http://amybayliss.com/2008/10/just-wondering_8536/comment-page-1/#comment-2018 LauraLee Shaw Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:21:00 +0000 http://localhost:8888/amybayliss/?p=292#comment-2018 I was just asked to write a devo on Romans 7:1-6. We have died to legalism, folks, pure and simple. If you feel like the Bible is asking you to stay home and be a homemaker, do it, but do it out of your love for Him. If you believe God has called you outside the home or to serve in the church, do it, but do it for Him. Fat chance we'll ever completely agree on these matters, because we can only see things from our own grids. I think the Scripture not to judge one another covers that. Also, no matter which side of the fence we sit on, we can do so confidently because of Colossians 2:16-17:<br /><br />"16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."<br /><br />I could go on and on about what I learned when I was called to write on Romans 7. It was one of the most difficult writing assignments I have ever been given. Amy, the Lord is working and moving in your ministry. That I am sure of. I hope that those who would believe or speak the truth you mentioned in your opening points would strongly consider praying about it. Not only that, that they would think twice before condemning another believer, whether you or me or a politician. We have to examine our lives and our doctrine closely:<br />1 Timothy 4:10-16 (NIV)<br /><br />10(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.<br /><br /> 11Command and teach these things. 12Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity. 13Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching. 14Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message when the body of elders laid their hands on you.<br /><br /> 15Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. 16Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers. I was just asked to write a devo on Romans 7:1-6. We have died to legalism, folks, pure and simple. If you feel like the Bible is asking you to stay home and be a homemaker, do it, but do it out of your love for Him. If you believe God has called you outside the home or to serve in the church, do it, but do it for Him. Fat chance we’ll ever completely agree on these matters, because we can only see things from our own grids. I think the Scripture not to judge one another covers that. Also, no matter which side of the fence we sit on, we can do so confidently because of Colossians 2:16-17:

“16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.”

I could go on and on about what I learned when I was called to write on Romans 7. It was one of the most difficult writing assignments I have ever been given. Amy, the Lord is working and moving in your ministry. That I am sure of. I hope that those who would believe or speak the truth you mentioned in your opening points would strongly consider praying about it. Not only that, that they would think twice before condemning another believer, whether you or me or a politician. We have to examine our lives and our doctrine closely:
1 Timothy 4:10-16 (NIV)

10(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

11Command and teach these things. 12Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity. 13Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching. 14Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message when the body of elders laid their hands on you.

15Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. 16Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

]]> By: Sallie http://amybayliss.com/2008/10/just-wondering_8536/comment-page-1/#comment-2019 Sallie Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:49:00 +0000 http://localhost:8888/amybayliss/?p=292#comment-2019 Mr. Einwhecter who wrote the articles pertaining to women in office that has been pushed on the vision forum blogs as well as others has also written articles on why stoning children per scripture in Deuteronomy is also still bibilical and relevant. That really sounds like saying what the muslims do with honor killings is ok...<br /><br /><br />Also, bouncing off the selection in Titus 2 that Amy referenced (which really is house keepers) is found in the Bible ONE time. I believe God has many great things for women to accomplish and it is shameful that people use a scripture that is found once to say that is the ONLY thing we should do. <br /><br />Have a blessed evening... Mr. Einwhecter who wrote the articles pertaining to women in office that has been pushed on the vision forum blogs as well as others has also written articles on why stoning children per scripture in Deuteronomy is also still bibilical and relevant. That really sounds like saying what the muslims do with honor killings is ok…

Also, bouncing off the selection in Titus 2 that Amy referenced (which really is house keepers) is found in the Bible ONE time. I believe God has many great things for women to accomplish and it is shameful that people use a scripture that is found once to say that is the ONLY thing we should do.

Have a blessed evening…

]]> By: tami http://amybayliss.com/2008/10/just-wondering_8536/comment-page-1/#comment-2020 tami Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:48:00 +0000 http://localhost:8888/amybayliss/?p=292#comment-2020 i will quote nancy campbell of above rubies- i have no trouble with women working, it's where they are working that matters.<br />desining clothes doesn't take you out of your home away from your family. being a prophtress doesn't either. nursing was different back then than now. these women worked from their homes, not in a hospital.<br />deborah is repeated so often! it was a shame that she was placed in that position- that is what the story is about- shame becuz the men weren't doing their jobs! here is an article that clarifies that - http://www.visionforum.com/hottopics/blogs/dwp/2008/10/4431.aspx<br /><br /> not every person who did something in the bible was doing God's will! they weren't perfect. paul murdered christians for years and yet went on to write great books of scripture!<br /><br />why does anyone think that i don't think women are equal just becuz i believe they should be keepers at home? i most certainly do think women are equal.<br /><br />i really am surprised that i am the only one here with this opinion becuz on my blog most everyone agrees with this thought , as well as on many of the blogs i read. maybe i should post for some help lol :) i will quote nancy campbell of above rubies- i have no trouble with women working, it’s where they are working that matters.
desining clothes doesn’t take you out of your home away from your family. being a prophtress doesn’t either. nursing was different back then than now. these women worked from their homes, not in a hospital.
deborah is repeated so often! it was a shame that she was placed in that position- that is what the story is about- shame becuz the men weren’t doing their jobs! here is an article that clarifies that – http://www.visionforum.com/hottopics/blogs/dwp/2008/10/4431.aspx

not every person who did something in the bible was doing God’s will! they weren’t perfect. paul murdered christians for years and yet went on to write great books of scripture!

why does anyone think that i don’t think women are equal just becuz i believe they should be keepers at home? i most certainly do think women are equal.

i really am surprised that i am the only one here with this opinion becuz on my blog most everyone agrees with this thought , as well as on many of the blogs i read. maybe i should post for some help lol :)

]]> By: rural momma http://amybayliss.com/2008/10/just-wondering_8536/comment-page-1/#comment-2021 rural momma Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:34:00 +0000 http://localhost:8888/amybayliss/?p=292#comment-2021 Jumping in here--- I think the reason many Christian women believe these things is because that is what they know are comfortable with. Someone along the lines taught them this, and it is black and white to them.<br /><br />I have been and am a stay at home, homeschooling mom. However, I have worked in the summer at the local park and recreation department. My husband was perfectly fine with it, and since that is who I am to submit then that's what matters. Even when I was at work my husband was still my covering, not my boss. Yes, I did things the job required but it is no different then teaching a Sunday school class and having someone over you. <br /><br />As for the election, I have to believe that Sarah Palin and her husband have discussed the issues. If he is okay with her being VP, then that is great!! :0) Once again, he is her covering.<br /><br />Thanks Amy for the open and honest discussion. :0) Jumping in here— I think the reason many Christian women believe these things is because that is what they know are comfortable with. Someone along the lines taught them this, and it is black and white to them.

I have been and am a stay at home, homeschooling mom. However, I have worked in the summer at the local park and recreation department. My husband was perfectly fine with it, and since that is who I am to submit then that’s what matters. Even when I was at work my husband was still my covering, not my boss. Yes, I did things the job required but it is no different then teaching a Sunday school class and having someone over you.

As for the election, I have to believe that Sarah Palin and her husband have discussed the issues. If he is okay with her being VP, then that is great!! :0) Once again, he is her covering.

Thanks Amy for the open and honest discussion. :0)

]]> By: queenie http://amybayliss.com/2008/10/just-wondering_8536/comment-page-1/#comment-2022 queenie Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:14:00 +0000 http://localhost:8888/amybayliss/?p=292#comment-2022 I thought this would be interesting to post - from the same website the poster posted that frightened me about the ideas the author had about working women - is a contradiction! Here's what the site gave as example of working women in the Bible: <br /><br />According to the Bible, career women are nothing new. Already mentioned, Deborah was a judge and a military leader. Like her, Miriam, Huldah and Anna were also prophetess’, completely trusted by God to declare His word. Ruth and Naomi sold real estate, Sheerah founded two cities and Abishag was a nurse. Phoebe and Pricilla played key roles in ministry, Zeruiah built a great warrior dynasty and Lydia was a clothing designer. The daughters of Zelophehad petitioned for equality and were rewarded by God. <br /><br />Interesting, don't you think? I thought this would be interesting to post – from the same website the poster posted that frightened me about the ideas the author had about working women – is a contradiction! Here’s what the site gave as example of working women in the Bible:

According to the Bible, career women are nothing new. Already mentioned, Deborah was a judge and a military leader. Like her, Miriam, Huldah and Anna were also prophetess’, completely trusted by God to declare His word. Ruth and Naomi sold real estate, Sheerah founded two cities and Abishag was a nurse. Phoebe and Pricilla played key roles in ministry, Zeruiah built a great warrior dynasty and Lydia was a clothing designer. The daughters of Zelophehad petitioned for equality and were rewarded by God.

Interesting, don’t you think?

]]> By: queenie http://amybayliss.com/2008/10/just-wondering_8536/comment-page-1/#comment-2023 queenie Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:26:00 +0000 http://localhost:8888/amybayliss/?p=292#comment-2023 I think controversial topics like these are great discussion items! There are many different women, and I believe God designed us all with different purposes in mind. Amy B, thanks for looking up those Script ure references. I agree with you in that the link that the poster posted would take too long to dispute all the discrepancies, however, I do want to say that some of the language and firmness in what the author considered "absolute truths" really scared me. In like a cult-like fashion - scared me. I think Christians should be very very careful in their intepretation of the Bible. I'm not sure why, but often I see many Christians trying to add rules that weren't given by God. Why does that happen? Do we feel more comfortable with extra rules? My life as a Christian woman is personally extremely freeing...not filled with so many absolute rules. I would encourage any woman reading this to really explore what they consider their "rules" set by God. Are they REALLY set by God, or are you just repeating conservative dogma that you aren't sure is really correct? I live my life according to God and the Bible, and I was convicted to become a physician. CONVICTED. So part of me really does think that sometimes we feel like we need to add rules and regulations that aren't really there in God's word. <br /><br />Great discussion, again, and Amy B - I absolutely love reading your blog. What a great peak into your heart and I love keeping up with you and your hubby this way. Although I should pick up the phone at some point! :) I think controversial topics like these are great discussion items! There are many different women, and I believe God designed us all with different purposes in mind. Amy B, thanks for looking up those Script ure references. I agree with you in that the link that the poster posted would take too long to dispute all the discrepancies, however, I do want to say that some of the language and firmness in what the author considered “absolute truths” really scared me. In like a cult-like fashion – scared me. I think Christians should be very very careful in their intepretation of the Bible. I’m not sure why, but often I see many Christians trying to add rules that weren’t given by God. Why does that happen? Do we feel more comfortable with extra rules? My life as a Christian woman is personally extremely freeing…not filled with so many absolute rules. I would encourage any woman reading this to really explore what they consider their “rules” set by God. Are they REALLY set by God, or are you just repeating conservative dogma that you aren’t sure is really correct? I live my life according to God and the Bible, and I was convicted to become a physician. CONVICTED. So part of me really does think that sometimes we feel like we need to add rules and regulations that aren’t really there in God’s word.

Great discussion, again, and Amy B – I absolutely love reading your blog. What a great peak into your heart and I love keeping up with you and your hubby this way. Although I should pick up the phone at some point! :)

]]> By: tami http://amybayliss.com/2008/10/just-wondering_8536/comment-page-1/#comment-2024 tami Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:58:00 +0000 http://localhost:8888/amybayliss/?p=292#comment-2024 hey amy! yes i am on bright and early cuz i was thinking about this a lot last nite! lol<br />while i see valid points in what everyone is saying i feel God has been clear on the subject of women's roles and i haven't changed my opinion. for me to pick apart other commenters' messages and tell them why i think they are wrong wouldn't be a very nice thing to do in this type of forum but i do think they are wrong. i mean no ill will towards the friend you mentioned and i have no easy solutions in that situation but i do have some thoughts about it tho it wouldn't come out right just typing it like this. :) PLEASE know i don't think badly of your friend!! and i certainly don't think any of these women here or your friend are not christian becuz they work outside the home!! hey amy! yes i am on bright and early cuz i was thinking about this a lot last nite! lol
while i see valid points in what everyone is saying i feel God has been clear on the subject of women’s roles and i haven’t changed my opinion. for me to pick apart other commenters’ messages and tell them why i think they are wrong wouldn’t be a very nice thing to do in this type of forum but i do think they are wrong. i mean no ill will towards the friend you mentioned and i have no easy solutions in that situation but i do have some thoughts about it tho it wouldn’t come out right just typing it like this. :) PLEASE know i don’t think badly of your friend!! and i certainly don’t think any of these women here or your friend are not christian becuz they work outside the home!!

]]> By: RefreshMom http://amybayliss.com/2008/10/just-wondering_8536/comment-page-1/#comment-2025 RefreshMom Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:14:00 +0000 http://localhost:8888/amybayliss/?p=292#comment-2025 PS--after reading them again, I'd have to say that I don't believe that any of them as written is right true for me, but God has made it plain to me that for a season my focus has been to be at home with my kids even to the exclusion of ministry opportunities for the moment. Didn't want anyone getting the idea that I would think I am (or anyone else is) "not a Christian if..." or whatever! PS–after reading them again, I’d have to say that I don’t believe that any of them as written is right true for me, but God has made it plain to me that for a season my focus has been to be at home with my kids even to the exclusion of ministry opportunities for the moment. Didn’t want anyone getting the idea that I would think I am (or anyone else is) “not a Christian if…” or whatever!

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